Talk:Breeding

Cooked Meat Technique
Every tribe I've ever been in has used Cooked Meat inside of babies and troughs to extend the spoil timer even longer. Should I write up something about it and put it in the "Caring for Babies" section?

Kuuys (talk) 18:34, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, especially if you're offline for a longer time that sounds like a good strategy.--Cadaeib (talk) 22:31, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Food value
Those numbers were only tested on raptors, dimo and mammoth but are likely similar all around. Carnivores: Raw meat: 50 points cooked meat: 20 points cooked prime meat: 50 points

Herbivores: mejo berries: 30 points other berries: 20 points crops untested. --24.201.100.150 05:36, 30 October, 2015(UTC) (Jey)


 * These numbers are known, except for the crops (also known as Advanced Crops or Vegetables), which are actually 40. I'm going to take your post to mean that you are suggesting we should have information as to how much food a baby would eat? -- Mr Pie 5  (talk) 06:15, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * (Jey) yea, it would be convenient to know on the breeding page how much the common foods are worth to dino (and incidently babies) --24.201.100.150 08:39, 30 October, 2015(UTC) (Jey)

Food consumption
Babies food consumption varies as they mature, i am still unsure as to the exact values as i did not gather enough points to form a specific graph. It seems to be linear from 2.5 food points / sec at 0% maturity, to 0.5 food points per sec at 100% maturity. It appears to be constant between all dinos. --24.201.100.150 05:16, 30 October, 2015(UTC) (Jey)
 * Formula for food consumption seem to be "foodpersec=2.4*maturation%+2.5", this is obtained using observation value (gathered food/sec at a few points then wrote an equation that fitted as closely as possible) the point gathered were done by noting food stat, timing about 20sec and dividing the delta by the time. Maturation percentage was obtained dividing the highest hp regened / total hp mostly because i had nothing on me to fill the baby weight precisely enough for my taste--24.201.100.150 13:35, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, feel free to write this on the page as well. The maturation can be calculated very precisely by the weight-number above the inventory of the baby. There are two numbers, the first being the weight used and the second the max-number the baby can hold. Divide the second number by the total weight in the stats to get the current maturing.--Cadaeib (talk) 14:21, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the inventory tip, i knew to do it by weight, but i somehow never realised the max weight of the baby was actually written heh. As for writing it on the page, ill do so once i have enough data to be sure of the formula. Right now while it is accurate to maybe 0.1 food/sec, it makes a rather large difference when using it to determine how long your food stock will last (when you include spoil and everything). I got another baby growing now, so ill gather a few more points see if they fit on the formula and then ill add it to the page. 24.201.100.150 14:40, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * (Jey) After some more data, the closests formula i can get is FoodPerSec=-2.49*maturation%+2.5 . Since its still from data gathered by hand, the precision is not perfect, this formula is precise with an error margin of 0.08 food/sec. 24.201.100.150 21:25, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Isn't it more like a =2.5-2.49*maturation%?
 * It's the same (see Commutative property).--Cadaei (talk) 21:05, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Those ratios are wrong. Current ratios are about 1 food/s at 0% maturation, 0.7 food/s at 40% maturation, about 0.5 food/s at 70% mat etc. I.e. you need 1 trough full of raw meat per Rex for every ~11h.

Probability of getting the desired stats
The formula for getting the desired set of stats can be calculated as follows. The probability P for the offspring to get the better (higher) stat is 70%. So the probability to get k better stats out of the 6 is

P = 0.7^k * 0.3^(6-k) * (6!)/(k!*(6-k)!)

cf. Binomial distribution with p=0.7, n=6 --Cadaeib (talk) 01:47, 14 October, 2015(UTC)


 * Jesus Wilberforce2 (talk) 06:08, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I just checked your formula and my answers are completely different than what is displayed on the page. Using the Excel version of your formula =(0.7*k)*(0.3^(6-k))*(FACT(6))/(FACT(k)*(FACT(6-k))) where k is the number of stats desired, I get values of 0.010206 for 1 stat, 0.1701 for 2, 1.134 for 3, 3.78 for 4, 6.3 for 5, and 4.2 for 6.  Can you provide clarification on how these are different? Bsspewer (talk) 13:36, 21 October 2015 (UTC)


 * If you get values >1 the formula you used cannot be correct (1> means a probability with >100%). You used a multiplication instead of a power as first operator.--Cadaeib (talk) 20:45, 21 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah, thank you. That's why I posted the formula I had to here.  If I'm understanding this right, you have the highest probability of getting 4 or 5 stats from a single parent.  I think it should be stated in such a way on the page.  I was a bit confused by it at first myself. Bsspewer (talk) 23:32, 21 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Sure, just write it on the page how you think it's best to understand.--Cadaeib (talk) 01:22, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Levelup in wild / tamed Dinos
A wild creature levels its stats randomly (maybe biased towards one stat). Leveling up in Walking speed will not increase the stat, so some levelups are "wasted" there. After taming and the taming-effectivenes levels are applied, some stats get a one-time bonus depending on the taming effectiveness (most creatures get up to 140% on Melee Damage).--Cadaeib (talk) 15:18, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Baby phase time
If anyone has data on how long the phases of a baby dino are, especially before they become juvenile, it should be added. Similar to taming, this would be an amount of time needed to be dedicated and be online. I'll do some testing myself on my SP with a speed up multiplier, then do some backwards calculations to determine it. Bsspewer (talk) 17:59, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Edit - signed username to above post Bsspewer (talk) 17:59, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Good idea. You can post your results here or put it directly on the page in a nice table. --Cadaeib (talk) 13:30, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Added some specific timings with online requirements. e.g. what happens if your not online and all the meat runs out. Put it in as a note for now, could be promoted to a regular piece of info with some additions of baby-juvenile-adolescent-adult time info. Let me know your thoughts. Gruffmeister (talk) 03:32, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

No abbreviations please
Changed AC to air conditioners, please refrain from using abbreviations. This is a wiki, most people visiting it do because they have very little knowledge of the game. Because of this very reason I do not know what trex refers to.

Extra
The trex hatching time is the optimal time, aka no health loss 2 air conditioners indoors should be able to hatch any egg with minimal health loss — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoosSkywalker (talk • contribs) at 22:34, 20 October, 2015(UTC). Please sign your posts with


 * 2 air conditioners will not incubate all eggs as suggested, in fact you need anywhere from 10 to 12 indoors for a wyvern egg (not in a desert biome in the desert i believe its more but not a 100%)

Feeding Trough instead of Handfeeding
The information given here is not true. I have tried this out. You have to hand feed the baby, the mothers will not do it for you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mingna (talk • contribs) at 6:10, 22 October, 2015(UTC). Please sign your posts with


 * You only have to hand feed a baby til it is juvenile then it will eat off the trough, if you arent going to be online as often using cooked meat is better because the spoil timer goes a littler slower, however using raw meat if you have the time is best

Dino’s will eat out of a trough before their inventory. Use raw meat in troughs, cooked in inventory if you will be offline for  Greater then 12 hours for a wooden troughs

megaloceros pregnancy time?
I think the megaloceros pregnancy time is about 6 hours. I'm not sure though. 81.203.50.38 20:39, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Babies stasis
Babies seem to eat way less when there are no players around, just like other tamed dinosaurs. Could someone confirm? --193.191.179.247 10:50, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * A player in our server has observed the same. It would be interesting to know exactly at which rate do they eat food while on stasis. 81.203.50.38 14:08, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Stasis no longer grants Baby Dinos to eat less when there are no players around the Dinos — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.21.45.220 (talk • contribs) at 23:00, 23 August 2017‎ (UTC). Please sign your posts with

Baby sizes?
Another interesting info to add would be the size for each baby, juvenile, etc. in relation to each door size (i.e. fits through: regular door/dino gate/behemoth dino gate). Since being indoors gives a temperature insulation bonus, incubating the egg indoors may be beneficial, but it has the disadvantage that the baby couldn't get out. 81.203.50.38 17:46, 19 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Good idea. If you already have some data / experience for some species, add a table or list.--Cadaeib (talk) 20:55, 19 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I can confirm that baby Quetzal, Bronto and Giganoto fit through a normal person-sized door. I guess that all baby dinos do. 81.203.50.38 11:39, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Compy & Carno Incubation
Hello. I totally dont know if im right here. Didnt find any other way to contact. On the Breeding site the incubation data of carno and compy are switched. Incubation of Carno is 1:40 and Compy 0:50. Not like it is right now.


 * Yes, this is the proper way to make contact about page-specific issues. That table is transcluded from Table of Breeding, which is why you weren't able to edit it here. I've made the correction. -- Mr Pie 5  (talk) 01:45, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

gigantopithicus gestation
Definitely closer to the 8hr baby time mentioned. I impregnated a wolf and a gigantopithicus at the same time. The ape was born at least an hour later. Can someone confirm?

Regarding the Maturation Phases > "As of 8/1/2016..."
I haven't done any tests, but as far as I know the food consumption values change over time (as in the formula they depend on the maturation%). Therefore the single values given in the paragraph before the formula can't be more accurate than the formula itself. (The "I believe..." part should also be more like part of the discussion, not the page itself(?)) Seb3sec (talk) 15:17, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I hadn't noticed that get added. You're right about that being discussion page material. I'll add it right below here. -- Mr Pie 5  (talk) 17:53, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * As of 8/1/2016: Babies will eat a stack of 20 raw meat in 90 seconds. Juveniles will eat a stack of 20 raw meat in 100 seconds. Adolescents will eat a stack of 20 raw meat in 190 seconds. Since each dino type has different maturation rates, I believe these numbers are more accurate than the below formula.

My babies take over 6 minutes to eat a stack of raw meat. Has something changed? Jagid3 (talk)Jagid3